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Post by Mustang on Wed May 28, 2014 3:08 pm

no Sai get's what he thinks he knows from a book, sadly NS makes him out to be a love guru, but fails to understand what basic and complex human emotions is all about, Sai lacks experience to make the call, what NS doesn't even consider is the fact that it wasn't Sai's call to make.

one of my personal favourites is when it says Minato said that Sakura is like Kushina, yet the main problem with that argument it was made void well before Minato even said anything, Tsunade, Jiraiya, and Kushina herself made that point, but later on Minato further shits on the Sakura comparison to Kushina by saying Naruto is a lot like his deceased wife and to make it even worse, Orochimaru compared Karin to Kushina.

NS: Minato compared Sakura to Kushina.

NH: yes but only in temper, now that comparison is really a joke, Naruto and Karin have both received comparisons to Kushina, Naruto has been given all the important comparisons to his mother many times before Minato even said anything, Jiraiya, Tsunade, Kushina herself, and now Minato,

so by going with that logic, it should be KushinaXKushina, lol  

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Post by Bubbles on Wed May 28, 2014 4:32 pm

Sai: *makes the assumption that Naruto loves Sakura off a flashback way back in the beginning of shippuden*

NS: Sai who flat out says he reads about emotions from books, said Naruto loves Sakura! It's undeniable! Even if Naruto never even said he loved Sakura and that word never even came up in the conversation, it still is canon proof!

Kakashi: *compares Sakura's feelings from chapter 4 to the recent chapter 675 and comes to the conclusion she is in love and it's mature*

NS: Kakashi doesn't even know Sakura! He is blind! Who cares if he's known her longer, been there since her fan girl days, witnessed her actions at Kage Summit and Iron Country, he is blind!  

Me: But Sai also said Sakura loves Sasuke without any mention of how Sakura feels for Naruto in that way. And don't NS use him to proclaim Naruto's undying love for Sakura? Doesn't that make Sakura's love for Sasuke also undeniable by default since he apparently knows so much?

NS: No! that would be detrimental to NS ship Uh...uh...Sakura is confused! It made Sai confused too! Naruto is also confused because he thinks Sakura loves Sasuke! But NS is canonz definitely!

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Post by meow69 on Wed May 28, 2014 4:50 pm

Bubbles wrote:Sai: *makes the assumption that Naruto loves Sakura off a flashback way back in the beginning of shippuden*

NS: Sai who flat out says he reads about emotions from books, said Naruto loves Sakura! It's undeniable! Even if Naruto never even said he loved Sakura and that word never even came up in the conversation, it still is canon proof!

Kakashi: *compares Sakura's feelings from chapter 4 to the recent chapter 675 and comes to the conclusion she is in love and it's mature*

NS: Kakashi doesn't even know Sakura! He is blind! Who cares if he's known her longer, been there since her fan girl days, witnessed her actions at Kage Summit and Iron Country, he is blind!  

Me: But Sai also said Sakura loves Sasuke without any mention of how Sakura feels for Naruto in that way. And don't NS use him to proclaim Naruto's undying love for Sakura? Doesn't that make Sakura's love for Sasuke also undeniable by default since he apparently knows so much?

NS: No! that would be detrimental to NS ship Uh...uh...Sakura is confused! It made Sai confused too! Naruto is also confused because he thinks Sakura loves Sasuke! But NS is canonz definitely!

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According to NS Sakura is also in love with Naruto because of an unfinished sentence from Yamato all the way back in 297. Like Yamato who at that point had known Sakura all of three days knows her well enough to know her feelings 100%. If anyone knows here feelings it would be Kakashi, Tsunade, or Shizune. Seeing as Kakashi is the only one of those three there I am going to trust him. Not bad mouth him like NS that thinks he is doesn't know Sakura at all.
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Post by Mustang on Wed May 28, 2014 5:05 pm

to make Kakashi out to be an idiot who knows nothing is really digging the NS grave, when the characters who know Sakura best make that judgement they are discredited as fools who don't know Sakura, but when it comes to characters that don't know Sakura all that well and they jump the gun, it is the first to jump for joy and call canon.

what makes that argument worse is that Kakashi is also really in tune with that sort of stuff as well, he has had some experience and knows about the feelings women, he is not insensitive like Jiraiya and Sasuke (albeit Sasuke does care but in his own way)

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Post by meow69 on Wed May 28, 2014 5:22 pm

Mustang wrote:to make Kakashi out to be an idiot who knows nothing is really digging the NS grave, when the characters who know Sakura best make that judgement they are discredited as fools who don't know Sakura, but when it comes to characters that don't know Sakura all that well and they jump the gun, it is the first to jump for joy and call canon.

what makes that argument worse is that Kakashi is also really in tune with that sort of stuff as well, he has had some experience and knows about the feelings women, he is not insensitive like Jiraiya and Sasuke (albeit Sasuke does care but in his own way)

Jiraiya does care about women he just goes about it differently. He loved Tsunade whom he knew would never love him back. Though Jiraiya was always a super pervert. Being perverted in Naruto and not respecting women are two different things. Jiraiya respected strong women in my opinion. Though that never did stop him from peeping at hot springs or checking out Tsunade's boobs. That said Jiraiya much like Naruto was never one to sugar coat anything. That can be seen as insensitive at times. Of course some of the same things could be said about Mr."I read porn in Public"Kakashi.
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Post by Bubbles on Wed May 28, 2014 7:15 pm

What I really hate is how NS takes Naruto not immediately answering Hinata's confession as a "rejection" or him ignoring it. Or worse, both. Like Naruto would be that kind of person. Completely ignoring a girls feelings without any intention of ever answering her and just going off with Sakura.

NS doesn't even consider the fact that Naruto didn't have the faintest clue what Hinata thought of him until that moment. Is he just expected to know whether he's  interested or not? She didn't just ask him on some date, she poured her heart out to him right before throwing herself into danger to protect him. Maybe, just maybe that kind of scenario calls for a little thinking time NS.

It says he was hanging around Sakura though and to that I say, so? Is he expected to be locked up in his room away from the world, just thinking about it over and over? NS has no issue with Naruto never thinking about his supposed undying, selfless love for Sakura, but it simply must have direct proof of him seriously thinking over Hinata's confession for it to have actually taken place.

Let's not ignore what took place immediately after the Pain Arc on top of it. Sasuke, Tsunade, the war declaration and preparation, his Island training. Not to mention Kishi needed the resolution of Naruto's feelings for Sakura and the epic trolling of NS arguments. To try and act like none of this at all impaired any earlier answer from Naruto is ridiculous. What matters is, he seems to be answering now, with every NH interaction on screen.

What gets me is, if he had answered earlier like it whines about him not doing, NS would be sceaming about bad writing.

"They don't even hang out or have any big scenes together!"

"What about Naruto's feelings for Sakura!"

"Its unrealistic for him to be in love with her all because she confessed!" etc.

Of course, it still is saying these things, but NS tends to recycle old, debunked arguments.

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Post by Mustang on Wed May 28, 2014 7:29 pm

let's get a check list going.
popcorn. Pizza, Beer, Sushi, more beer,

You know I cannot wait to see what the excuses will be when NaruHina becomes canon, I am certain we have seen them all, from Sai confessed on Naruto's behalf and that Sakura was telling the truth when she confessed. if the arguments get any dumber, I might open up a bottle of Jack Daniels  

I have seen a lot of this argument, "Sakura was telling the truth to Naruto when she confessed."

my response is no she wasn't, she was hiding the truth of what was happening, she couldn't bring herself to tell Naruto what was going on, there are two reasons for that, `1: she loves Sasuke (simple as that) 2: she knew how hard it would be for Naruto to take the truth about having to deal with Sasuke, she knew he would be angry, so she held back from telling Naruto. really that confession wasn't about really Naruto anyway, it was about comparing someone with someone else, it was comparing Naruto with Sasuke. surely it cannot think that confession is real especially since there is Hinata who confessed and not only put her heart into it, she also told Naruto about his important qualities, Sakura never did that.

As for Naruto's feelings, since when did Naruto ever state that he was in love with Sakura? but I guess Mr. Love Guru can tell us all about it after he finishes reading his book.  

I think only three weeks have passed since the confession, three weeks is a long time after a confession, things can change and drastically to, to say that he has ignored the confession or rejected Hinata, especially considering that there is no evidence to back up that claim is a really sad argument, Naruto has given every indication that he will return Hinata's love, I think that is the fact that NS simply refuses to even acknowledge.

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Post by ThisIsMyNinjaWay on Wed May 28, 2014 8:54 pm

What i don't understand about the couple "NaruSaku" Is its two BIGGEST flaws to the love story of it, is Hinata & Sasuke. They were put in the story for a reason. There was no Hinata & Sasuke in the other generations besides Dan. And Orochimaru doesn't even count as a love interest for anyone in his generation. The parallel game is such a headhache, I rather count "Connected" moments between a character and a love interest rather then base my proof on Parallels completely. Like I'm serious, NS biggest canon proof they have IS the parallel thing. Which is fun to look at in many ways don't get me wrong, but not enough to the point I'm shoving it down my OTP's throat as proof.

I just feel that Sakura had her chance, to be with Naruto and make moves many and many times again. She threw away EACH one. And I find it odd that NaruSaku tends to think that Naruto & Sakura doing missions together and Sakura accepting Naruto as a better person then she as in Part 1 as more then friendship. I get you hold onto Naruto's "happiness", of his crush he had on Sakura in hopes she will love him back cause hes so much better (in opinion) then Sasuke, so Naruto "wins." But whats forgotten is Hinata, the one who didn't need to see what Naruto had all along, it was him against the world all his life. Why can't Hinata deserve happiness too, and have Naruto realize what he had all along?

I also find it odd that after Hinata's confession Naruto's demeanor on Sakura in thoughts of a "romantic" way has diminished in my opinion. I feel now in his head the pieces that confused him about Hinata all connected in his head and furthered more into the war after her confession, especially Sakura's failfession, I felt it was him in a way moving on, always knowing and accepting Sakura will always love Sasuke. Naruto knows Sakura, their teammates like family so of course I know their is a bond between them that I personally love, but not more then brother/sister top deal.

Theres things Naruto doesn't know about Hinata that he still can. There still things Sakura still doesn't know about Sasuke since he left, but now can. Especially the truth behind what really happened to his clan. Thats what makes NaruHina and SasuSaku such big fanbases, theres so many "Oh I see now" kind of things going on, and connections [some better then others] Its the thought of the other finally realizing what they've had that filled their lonely existence, or filled their discouraged tampered self esteem. [Sasuke and Naruto reference] Theres no closure to Naruto/Hinata and Sasuke/Sakura. Thats opened wide and I think thats what scares NaruSaku, cause you can't have 2 people love eachother while the other 2 they had a sort of connections with are looking outside in.

I just personally find it pointless that Kishimoto would put so many beautiful moments of Naruto & Hinata developing, and base her character a "love interest" of Naruto to be there, just at the end to be awkwardly cut out of Naruto's choice, if he chose Sakura. Naruto's life is different then anyone elses life, its his own story. 1st its "Hinata can accept to be Naruto's friend and let him be with Sakura" but Naruto can't accept Sakura for wanting to be with Sasuke? its a never ending circle of ughhhhs and personal preferences its unbelievable... @____________@

I've been on this NaruHina & SasuSaku ship since the beginning, and I aint getting off now.
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Post by Mustang on Wed May 28, 2014 9:27 pm

you know there is one other thing about the Naruto and Sakura friendship that NS tends to ignore quite heavily, that most of their interactions actually have no romantic implications towards it, when Naruto and Sakura talk, there is usually one topic in common, Sasuke. How they will save Sasuke, how they will bring him back, how they miss the good old days. I think NS conveniently forgets that part and interprets these interactions to make them romantic, when in reality it is just as friends would interact.

so for NS to overplay the interactions is something that has happened for far too long, it overplays the interactions between Naruto and Sakura, while downplaying the significance of all the important NaruHina moments, saying that NaruHina moments are nothing but moments of friendship, but when it comes to Naruto and Sakura talking about Sasuke, I think it likes dropping any hint of the name Sasuke from any sentence to make it look romantic, adding stuff that was never there to begin with.

Still love how it underestimates Kakashi's view point as well, out of all the third person POV, he is the one in position to make a judgment, but it either says Kakashi is blind or, that he said Sakura liked Sasuke and is moving on to a more Platonic level. but what it doesn't take into consideration is that when Kakashi said that Sakura's feelings are different to what they were before, he was comparing Sakura's silly little fangirl crush she had on Sasuke, implying that Sakura's feelings are actually unrequited love, pure hearted love. but nope NS will not have a part of that, saying that she is moving on and developing feelings for another guy, that would in turn make Sakura shallow, really when a person moves on from someone else it takes time to recover from that, it takes time to develop feelings for another guy, Sakura hasn't moved on and if she does, it will take time, it doesn't happen suddenly. in this case 24 hours after she was thinking about Sasuke.

next up impossible to be in love with her, that is saying that Naruto doesn't think Hinata is more than a friend, what NS also doesn't take into consideration, is that only a few weeks have passed since the confession, a lot can change in that time, a person can think about that significant other even while not interacting with that person, I remember it saying "Naruto and Hinata have only interacted 5 times since the confession," that is being really specific about the amount of times that the two characters interact, it is what happens to the two characters prior to the interaction that counts most, Naruto is a prime example of that as well.

now lets compare NaruHina and NaruSaku as the type of pairings they are, starting with NaruSaku.

NaruSaku: is an outside pairing, that means that there is a heavy reliance on things such as parallels and third person POVs, it also means that there is also another character that helps drive their interactions and pushes them closer together, but there is also the chance (like is the case here) that at least one of the characters is in love with the third wheel for that matter (Sakura loving Sasuke) another prime example. Outside ships are the most likely to collapse because they miss what the inside ship has.

NaruHina: now this is a little harder to explain, but NaruHina is an inside pairing, this basically means that there is nothing on the outside that can influence the ship, there is no reliance on things like Parallels and third person POVs, there is no third wheel that drives their interactions, sure there are friends that know there is something going on between them, but they aren't that much of an influence. Inside ships are the most likely to go forward because there nothing forcing them together and they can take their time in developing, it isn't completely rushed and when one event occurs is it usually followed by a flurry of important hints and moments. (such is the case with Hinata's confession)

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Post by Irielo on Wed May 28, 2014 9:36 pm

Naruto did/does not have to say "I love you" to prove if he was in love with Sakura or to prove if he is in love with Hinata. He is not Sakura nor Hinata when it comes to confess feelings. Naruto will act and behaves in a way telling about his feelings...

And I trust Hinata's confidence about Naruto's feelings. She did not need much to make a resolve (573) and express a wish (633).

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Post by Mustang on Wed May 28, 2014 10:24 pm

the one thing that also needs to be taken into consideration is that Naruto lets his actions do all the talking, maybe that is the reason why Hinata is so certain that her and Naruto will be together after the current situation is resolved. Naruto's actions towards Hinata have allowed her to make that resolve it is almost like Naruto made his choice but has never said it. The problem with that is NS want Naruto to say something to Sakura about his most likely diminished crush and to be with Sakura.

As Irielo pointed out Naruto doesn't need to say a single word to Sakura or Hinata for that matter, but I am sure, just like Irielo pointed out Hinata's confidence in Naruto's feelings will not be misplaced. something NS doesn't look likely to accept.


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Post by Irielo on Wed May 28, 2014 10:34 pm

Mustang wrote:the one thing that also needs to be taken into consideration is that Naruto lets his actions do all the talking, maybe that is the reason why Hinata is so certain that her and Naruto will be together after the current situation is resolved. Naruto's actions towards Hinata have allowed her to make that resolve it is almost like Naruto made his choice but has never said it. The problem with that is NS want Naruto to say something to Sakura about his most likely diminished crush and to be with Sakura.

As Irielo pointed out Naruto doesn't need to say a single word to Sakura or Hinata for that matter, but I am sure, just like Irielo that Hinata's confidence in Naruto's feelings will not be misplaced. something NS doesn't look likely to accept.

I sincerely trust Hinata's judgement/feeling/intuition when it comes to Naruto. Out of many people she knew who Naruto was/is from the beginning. She knew the guy is not perfect but that he was able to achieve great things. When most of the people were thinking Naruto is a loser, she believed in him. She even told things to Naruto about himself that he might not have realized by himself.

Hinata knows Naruto deeply enough to notice how he is reacting to her and to already have some plans with him for the future. In that regards, Hinata has more faith in Naruto's feelings than some readers may have...lol!

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Post by Mustang on Wed May 28, 2014 10:57 pm

Yeah I think we as the readers tend to underestimate a character like Naruto, NS and NH alike, lol. but I feel that is a good thing, because we might actually see Naruto returning Hinata's love, but without saying anything, and we can enjoy the reaction on the internet as it explodes with anti-NH sentiment, I must ready my popcorn for that time.

there is one thing I might point out, I think Hinata knows Naruto better than Naruto knows himself, some of the awesome moments are a testament to that point.

you know one of the funny things is this argument, Naruto and Hinata don't interact enough or they have only interacted 5-6 times since a certain point in the story.

to counter this, there are some pairings that have gotten away with even less than that, heck there are some pairings with characters never interacting at all, I think one of the best examples of that is Goku and ChiChi, how many times did they interact in Dragonball before they became a canon pairing, I am certain I can count on my right hand only, so to use this excuse as to how many times a character needs to interact is not going to stand, because of what had happened in the past, the other thing is ChiChi wasn't a main character as well, so there goes this MainXMain nonsense.

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Post by ThisIsMyNinjaWay on Wed May 28, 2014 11:29 pm

I agree with all the above! Naruto in a way like Mustang said is answering her through action as we can see but NS tends to turn it into Naruto being nice, and a "friend." I also know what Irielo means that Hinata has more confidence and faith in the pairing lol. Its normal for us to have that lil thought in the back of our head like.. "Just what if Kishi did a 180 and made it NaruSaku" Even though we in our herat of hearts feel and know the outcome. Hec, I second guess myself at work when I know I'm doing whatever I'm doing right, I'll triple check xD.

Anyways, I feel NaruHina=Quality. And as you said Mustang, NaruSaku moments I don't count as NaruSaku + moments. The only one I can recall as a sweet not shown side of Sakura was when she decided to help feed Naruto when he was injured, and I found that to be an adorable moment I have to admit. But it more brought me back to the nostalgic times when Sakura wouldn't do any of this in Part 1 and how much shes grown towards Naruto since then as a mature good teammate friend should.

I feel Sasuke being out the picture was for Sakura to develop unbiased acknowledgement for Naruto, helped her as a character to accept and be a better friend to Naruto. I mean hec, I know friendship can turn into something else, but if Sasuke wasn't in the picture I'd have to agree NaruSaku would be more competition to me. But to me I feel that 3rd party viewers overplayed the NaruSaku combo, and teased nonetheless.

And as for me being a fangirl of the NH and SS, its not because I'm bandwagoning or anything, I just seen the connection from the beginning that never left me, after Part 1 the unresolved feelings for NH and SS just pushed my confidence up that one day, one chapter, things will be clear and everything.. will be out in the open!
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Post by Mustang on Wed May 28, 2014 11:48 pm

I will not deny this, NaruSaku had a chance (had) why I am say this is because Sakura actually had time to move on, she had the chance to re-evaluate her feelings concerning Naruto and Sasuke, but as it turns out Sakura simply cannot let her feelings for Sasuke go to the wayside.

Also with Sakura wanting to help feed Naruto, remember he had a broken arm and not only that it was destroyed a page later by kakashi as he was the one that fed Naruto, lol. can't eat a bowl of ramen with one arm.

I don't think Kishi will do a 180, he has worked on NaruHina far too much since the confession, but who knows with Kishi, after all he did an unexpected plot twist at the end of the last chapter, but I doubt he would destroy the development NaruHina received since the confession, I would be disappointed (naturally) but I would also accept it, since it is up to Kishi, doubt NS would feel the same way since it is NS or bust. this is all due to the fact that NaruSaku in a romantic sense has had no development, as friendship goes, well that's a different story.

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Post by Irielo on Thu May 29, 2014 12:22 am

Plot twist as far as the battles/actions/who is pulling the strings are concerned, is something expectable. It's not the first time that there was a plot twist in the story: Pein was the leader of the Akatsuki before we came to know that Tobi/Obito was the hidden leader who was pulling the strings actually.

But the characters are honest and loyal to their feelings. Twisting their feelings just for the sake of plot twist would not participate to shed a positive light on them. Bonds are important and protecting/respecting them is one of the main theme of the story. That's why I don't think that there will be a 180° turn as far as the characters' feelings are concerned.

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Post by Mustang on Thu May 29, 2014 1:17 am

I know, but like I said I would be really disappointed if Kishi did that, I wouldn't say it because it isn't nice, but if Kishi made the characters do a 180, it would be bad writing, but I doubt he would pull a stunt like that, he made the characters honest, we all know that the characters are better than that.

that would be like turning the brooding Sasuke into a lover boy who gives flowers to every girl he meets, (I know RtN) it would be out of character even for Sakura to be with Naruto.

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Post by senjusana on Thu May 29, 2014 1:48 am

Chapter 678 made clearly sure that Sasuke has clearly no interest on Sakura.He has not been responding to her positively,which makes Sakura feel miserable.

On the other hand,NaruHina interactions have always been positive,motivating and brings a feel good factor to the readers.This is what NS fails to understand. NS says that Naruto acts weird around Hinata..but the truth is,Naruto shows his true self to Hinata.He need not impress her.He need not behave goofy in front of her.His smile is enough to make her happy.
Also Hinata does not expect anything from Naruto,as she knows that Naruto is a man of action.Hinata's dream proves clearly that she does not expect anything from Naruto expect for being beside him..how much more innocent can she be?

Hinata always wants her cousin brother and her own sister Hanabi to witness her happy moment which clearly shows us how confident she is about her future and how much importance she gives to her family.


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Post by Mustang on Thu May 29, 2014 1:50 am

how about reading the chapteron Mangastream, in that one he is actually less of a dick towards Sakura, in that one he just points out something and Sakura felt like that he was right.

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Post by senjusana on Thu May 29, 2014 1:54 am

Mustang wrote:how about reading the chapteron Mangastream, in that one he is actually less of a dick towards Sakura, in that one he just points out something and Sakura felt like that he was right.

Sakura now knows that Sasuke can't be hers.
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Post by Mustang on Thu May 29, 2014 2:02 am

no that's not it, she knows that Sasuke is right and so does Kakashi, it isn't like Sakura is feeling miserable it is more of the fact that she knows she cannot do much at this point because Naruto and Sasuke are the only ones with the power to do something, this chapter didn't disprove or prove anything against/for the pairings. in my honest opinion

Sasuke was being honest, in his own way and looking out for his team mates in the same manner, even though it might look like he didn't care, but deep down inside he does care, I think the Mangapanda version didn't help the depict the situation as it stood but I felt that the Mangastream version showed a much calmer Sasuke, the one that is able to assess because of his Rinnegan but he was still a dick towards Kakashi.

Sakura most likely showed feelings of inadequacy again. I once said this in the comment section on a Youtube video, when it seems like Sakura has caught up to Naruto and Sasuke, she quickly falls another 100 steps behind them. this chapter proves it, not only to Sakura but to Kakashi as well.

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Post by Bubbles on Thu May 29, 2014 11:08 am

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Sakura now knows that Sasuke can't be hers.
Eh, now I think that's a bit of a stretched assumption. Sasuke correctly assessing that she and Kakashi aren't able to do anything at the moment does not equate to Sakura now knowing her chances with Sasuke in the long-run are zero. The previous chapter, Sasuke clearly stated that the war can be won only if Naruto and himself survive, and the sage himself stated that they were the key as well.

Sasuke knows she is strong (smirking in 632 at her power, helping her as a distraction against Madara and seeing her tank a hit that killed him), yet Sakura herself has no idea what Sasuke thinks of her (hence her sad look when wondering if Sasuke cared at all). She didn't witness his smirk, or that he was the first to run after her to help her in her plan. Sakura is left in the dark about a lot of Sasuke's actions toward her. Moreso, Sakura has a need to be more than just a burden. To realize she can't do anything when her loved ones are out there is of course, going to make her sad.

Personally, I think Sasuke was being more of a douche to Kakashi with the whole "shut up," and unlike with Kakashi, we didn't see Sasuke's face when he spoke to Sakura so we have no idea how he might have been saying it (matter-of-factly or rude etc.) That being said, I can't say I liked his behavior this chapter, but I'm going to wait until further chapters to see how he acts before saying anything more.

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Post by meow69 on Thu May 29, 2014 11:21 am

Bubbles wrote:
senjusana wrote:
Sakura now knows that Sasuke can't be hers.
 Personally, I think Sasuke was being more of a douche to Kakashi with the whole "shut up," and unlike with Kakashi, we didn't see Sasuke's face when he spoke to Sakura so we have no idea how he might have been saying it (matter-of-factly or rude etc.) That being said, I can't say I liked his behavior this chapter, but I'm going to wait until further chapters to see how he acts before saying anything more.

Agreed That is one of the draw backs of any written media, comic books and manga in particular. Most books will at least describe the tone of voice. Manga and Comic books rely on a mixture words and pictures to convey meanings and tone of voice. You can not hear tone of voice from the Manga and it doesn't describe his tone. So unless you can see their face to judge body language it is any ones guess on the tone Sasuke was using.  
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Post by Bubbles on Thu May 29, 2014 11:33 am

Exactly. However, looking back at the chapter, I kind of think that Naruto gives us an idea of how Sasuke said it. You'll notice that when Sasuke said what he did to Sakura, Naruto didn't say anything. His reaction was ...! But nothing else. Yes, he sees Sakura is sad and Naruto doesn't like seeing her sad that's always been him (bless his heart).

However, when Sasuke then turned to Kakashi and said "shut up Kakashi" that's when Naruto called him an asshole. Now it's possible that this could mean that Naruto didn't see any real rudeness in Sasuke's response to Sakura so he didn't say anything back, yet was mad at Sasuke's obvious rudeness toward Kakashi.

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Post by Yamasaki Akaiko on Thu May 29, 2014 1:23 pm

**still doesn't understand why there's an uproar over Sasuke for stating facts in 678**

**still doesn't know why anyone didn't see Kaguya coming (if you're talking a year ago, sure as she didn't exist, but after she was introduced with Hagoromo's story, she was an obvious "twist"--so will the currently forgotten brother when he gets enough details to explain stuff)**

**still doesn't understand why the idea that NaruSaku died (as far as becoming official in manga) in chapter 183 remains such an unpopular opinion when hindsight should make that even more obvious**
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