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Post by Supyloco on Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:21 pm

I saw the movie and it was awesome. I want to get your thoughts on it for those who've seen it.
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Post by Taushishi17 on Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:45 am

I went to see the movie as well and I can honestly say that the LAST 15 MINUTES was mega awesome and the rest of the movie was garbage. That movie was so boring that I was very close to leaving the theater but the only reason I pulled myself through was because of the ending spoilers I got and as as naruhina fan I had to see it for myself. There is a lot I could say on why I didn't like the movie but I'll be blunt:boring plot,tons of plot holes,boring villain,forced naruhina scenes, "OOCness" of the cast, and the list goes on.I really wished they could've put that ending in the manga that would've been amazing...
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Post by racefan1992 on Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:55 am

Taushishi17 wrote:I went to see the movie as well and I can honestly say that the LAST 15 MINUTES was mega awesome and the rest of the movie was garbage. That movie was so boring that I was very close to leaving the theater but the only reason I pulled myself through was because of the ending spoilers I got and as as naruhina fan I had to see it for myself. There is a lot I could say on why I didn't like the movie but I'll be blunt:boring plot,tons of plot holes,boring villain,forced naruhina scenes, "OOCness" of the cast, and the list goes on.I really wished they could've put that ending in the manga that would've been amazing...


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Post by db84x on Wed Feb 25, 2015 12:17 am

Too bad it not came to my country so I have to wait DVD release
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Post by RickVal(NaruHina Rules) on Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:11 am

I saw it and Well I liked it a lot but mmm the thing with the main branch and side branch was kind of like the Hyuuga All over again mmm..But well what that posts says is basically what I've Know so far until now but never spoke bout it mmm... so dunno, So far I loved The NaruHina Scenes the most specially the last ones AND I TOTALLY LOST WITH THE KISS guhehehehe ehehehhehehehe *drool lost in thoughts*
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Post by Yamasaki Akaiko on Wed Feb 25, 2015 4:37 pm

I saw it on Saturday.... don't read if you don't want to be spoiled:

My thoughts:
Amazing. Absolutely amazing. I avoided the camrip so it bothered me sometimes to have to skip posts on forums and on tumblr trying to not have everything spoiled (I knew the plot going in). Now, I'm free to read all. :P

"The Last" was strong on symbolism. If you were taking some of the most important scenes (the genjutsu trap in particular) too literally, then you were missing the point--very similar to the fact that a lot of times I felt people missed the point of the manga by taking things literally when they weren't supposed to do so.

But let's start from the beginning.

I was expecting to despise two things going in... the bullies scene and the fact that Hinata was not going to fight much.

The first was much better than I was expecting and while I still don't like the bullies stuff in particular, I can admit that unlike in 166 that this particular bully scene did not downgrade other characters to push it and it allowed for the main symbolic key of the movie (the scarf) to be introduced.

The second thing was the lack of fighting. Considering the only character that got to fight really was Naruto (EVERYONE else just got bit parts when it came to fighting), it kind of is stupid to me to actually be bothered by it. It was advertised as being a romance movie and not an action one. So, I got over the second thing really quickly as I could see that those who claimed back in November that the movie was "80% NaruHina & 20% action" weren't lying (in fact they probably should've increased the NaruHina percentage and dropped the action percentage a bit).

I remember wondering what happened with the Hinata falling scene and finding out that she had lost her chakra made the whole thing so much better (along with the fact that she tried to climb herself out of trouble though the scarf gave way before she could). In fact, that's basically what happened with everything. Seeing it in context made it understandable.

Even though Hanabi didn't get to be around much, she was so hilarious when she was around and the way she acted towards Hinata (cheeky, in fact, she was to Hinata basically what Sai was to Naruto).

The genjutsu trap was really good. I actually think it would've been better if they didn't waste time with the scarf wrapping around Naruto as I think it might've made the connection part that they were trying to show get across more. Ironically, he can read her better than she can read him. That is something that chapter 559 implied, especially because so many tend to think that because Hinata understands Naruto as a person better than he does her that it means she can read his feelings better too. However, understanding actually isn't the same as reading feelings (and the two of them usually have strengths that the other lacks). The genjutsu trap was so hilarious though as Naruto works through getting the understanding he is missing.

On a personal headcanon note... I only truly mentioned this once (and the post where I did so at someone's urging years ago is no longer around), but the genjutsu trap & the convo Naruto had with Sakura later (which basically was there to make sure that if you didn't get the point of the genjutsu scene that you could still understand the following point): Naruto was romantically in love with Hinata for a long time and just didn't know it. In fact, the reason Sakura was pushing Hinata so much at the beginning was that she had realized that Hinata loved Naruto as well as that Naruto loved Hinata. Sakura was playing matchmaker to the clueless ones (each clueless for different reasons though I think the underlining one was probably the same though the movie didn't go there), while trying not to be the one to say it. I think if Sakura knew that Hinata had confessed when they were 16 years old... she probably would've been bothering Naruto a lot more directly instead of choosing to go through Hinata. The beauty is the combination of the beginning with the fangirls, the unopened presents (not getting the point of receiving them nor why he didn't care that much), the genjutsu scene, and Naruto's convo with Sakura is that they don't try to pinpoint exactly when Naruto started to love Hinata, but it's clear that he already did. Continuing (though unfortunately the movie didn't address this as it was more about Naruto than Hinata by a longshot when it came to romance), I've always disagreed with the notion that Hinata was supposed to recognize that she was in love with Naruto from the beginning of the series. I think she was in reality but that it took her until the Chuunin exam finals at the earliest or when Naruto was gone for training at the latest to truly realize it. I've always felt that if Hinata who is much better at understanding concepts can take years that Naruto would take a much longer time as he stinks at that stuff. In fact, the only "complaint" about the genjutsu scene is that it took away Hinata's chance to get Naruto to understand (and while watching her constantly try to get Naruto to understand could be funny or even funnier, I think I would've been bored if the movie spent a lot of time doing that instead of using the genjutsu and making the problem of Hanabi's kidnapping no longer the focus--and the fact that Hinata's love for Hanabi was such a focus was really sweet; so was Hiashi's love for his daughters though I wish more would talk about his clear concern for them both that he was displaying from the get-go despite his small screentime; he should get some props for causing Sasuke to come to Konoha in the first place).

But back to the movie (and less about being happy of having some general headcanons being displayed), I honestly love the fact that Hinata was not suddenly given some super-duper powers so that she could fight on par with Toneri. Hinata is not anywhere near Naruto's level of power (and the movie kept that consistent). Of course, since the villain has to be on Naruto's level (or else this would really be pointless on a danger level) that it means that Hinata isn't going to be able to do much to him. One of my pet-peeves is having characters be much stronger or weaker than they should be. Hinata kicked everyone's butt that came at her except Toneri in the movie. Toneri gave Naruto problems, even when using Kurama's chakra, so I have no problems with Hinata losing to Toneri (and I admit her being placed as a literal trophy when she was brainwashed was so fitting as far as symbolism goes). It's things like that among other smaller things that occurred throughout that made me believe even more that Kishimoto was as heavily involved with this (including how Toneri was "defeated") as he tried to imply. There were things that I don't think would've happened if Kishimoto wasn't involved beyond the time-skip and the scarf. There were just little things that made me think of the manga and how the manga tells things.

Sakura was treated like the wonderful girl she is and I appreciated it so much. ^_^ Shikamaru got to be his usual right hand man self. Sai was just Sai. Now I understand what Kishimoto meant when wondering if he wasn't too evil to Naruto. I still can't get over it and I know that I technically missed part of what Sai said when Naruto woke up because I was already laughing so hard in the theater when he really started going in on Naruto there.

My favorite parts were the genjutsu trap, the Naruto/Sakura talk with Hinata going on her quest to save the world going on in the background, the joint attack with Naruto & Hinata, the final fight (including it's hilarious end with Kurama), and the running that led to the moon kiss (**cough**Naruto's**cough**a**cough**show-off**cough**).

Oh and one public service announcement about the movie that I don't know is mentioned much... the main plot of the movie covers at least a month in time. The very beginning when Hinata is knitting also shows the phases of the moon changing along with the fact that when Naruto first receives presents (and teaches at the academy) it's "fall"-like as far as weather goes while it's snowing when Hinata finishes the scarf and starts trying to give it to him (but the changing phases of the moon is bigger indicator of the passage of time).

However, I do know that once I can get this on Blu-ray, that I will enjoy this movie forever just like I enjoy "The Little Mermaid" by Disney (and yes, that's my fave Disney movie). It was just that overall great to me.

Anyway, personally, I think that as long as you aren't expecting much action and don't have headcanons that you're totally invested in that completely contradict mine (because a lot of my headcanons were followed in this movie), that you'll probably enjoy the movie. Enjoyment always has a lot to do with personal expectations after all and mine were met while personal annoyances were kept at a bare minimum. ;)
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Post by racefan1992 on Thu Feb 26, 2015 4:51 pm

Yamasaki Akaiko wrote:I saw it on Saturday.... don't read if you don't want to be spoiled:

My thoughts:
Amazing. Absolutely amazing. I avoided the camrip so it bothered me sometimes to have to skip posts on forums and on tumblr trying to not have everything spoiled (I knew the plot going in). Now, I'm free to read all. :P

"The Last" was strong on symbolism. If you were taking some of the most important scenes (the genjutsu trap in particular) too literally, then you were missing the point--very similar to the fact that a lot of times I felt people missed the point of the manga by taking things literally when they weren't supposed to do so.

But let's start from the beginning.

I was expecting to despise two things going in... the bullies scene and the fact that Hinata was not going to fight much.

The first was much better than I was expecting and while I still don't like the bullies stuff in particular, I can admit that unlike in 166 that this particular bully scene did not downgrade other characters to push it and it allowed for the main symbolic key of the movie (the scarf) to be introduced.

The second thing was the lack of fighting. Considering the only character that got to fight really was Naruto (EVERYONE else just got bit parts when it came to fighting), it kind of is stupid to me to actually be bothered by it. It was advertised as being a romance movie and not an action one. So, I got over the second thing really quickly as I could see that those who claimed back in November that the movie was "80% NaruHina & 20% action" weren't lying (in fact they probably should've increased the NaruHina percentage and dropped the action percentage a bit).

I remember wondering what happened with the Hinata falling scene and finding out that she had lost her chakra made the whole thing so much better (along with the fact that she tried to climb herself out of trouble though the scarf gave way before she could). In fact, that's basically what happened with everything. Seeing it in context made it understandable.

Even though Hanabi didn't get to be around much, she was so hilarious when she was around and the way she acted towards Hinata (cheeky, in fact, she was to Hinata basically what Sai was to Naruto).

The genjutsu trap was really good. I actually think it would've been better if they didn't waste time with the scarf wrapping around Naruto as I think it might've made the connection part that they were trying to show get across more. Ironically, he can read her better than she can read him. That is something that chapter 559 implied, especially because so many tend to think that because Hinata understands Naruto as a person better than he does her that it means she can read his feelings better too. However, understanding actually isn't the same as reading feelings (and the two of them usually have strengths that the other lacks). The genjutsu trap was so hilarious though as Naruto works through getting the understanding he is missing.

On a personal headcanon note... I only truly mentioned this once (and the post where I did so at someone's urging years ago is no longer around), but the genjutsu trap & the convo Naruto had with Sakura later (which basically was there to make sure that if you didn't get the point of the genjutsu scene that you could still understand the following point): Naruto was romantically in love with Hinata for a long time and just didn't know it. In fact, the reason Sakura was pushing Hinata so much at the beginning was that she had realized that Hinata loved Naruto as well as that Naruto loved Hinata. Sakura was playing matchmaker to the clueless ones (each clueless for different reasons though I think the underlining one was probably the same though the movie didn't go there), while trying not to be the one to say it. I think if Sakura knew that Hinata had confessed when they were 16 years old... she probably would've been bothering Naruto a lot more directly instead of choosing to go through Hinata. The beauty is the combination of the beginning with the fangirls, the unopened presents (not getting the point of receiving them nor why he didn't care that much), the genjutsu scene, and Naruto's convo with Sakura is that they don't try to pinpoint exactly when Naruto started to love Hinata, but it's clear that he already did. Continuing (though unfortunately the movie didn't address this as it was more about Naruto than Hinata by a longshot when it came to romance), I've always disagreed with the notion that Hinata was supposed to recognize that she was in love with Naruto from the beginning of the series. I think she was in reality but that it took her until the Chuunin exam finals at the earliest or when Naruto was gone for training at the latest to truly realize it. I've always felt that if Hinata who is much better at understanding concepts can take years that Naruto would take a much longer time as he stinks at that stuff. In fact, the only "complaint" about the genjutsu scene is that it took away Hinata's chance to get Naruto to understand (and while watching her constantly try to get Naruto to understand could be funny or even funnier, I think I would've been bored if the movie spent a lot of time doing that instead of using the genjutsu and making the problem of Hanabi's kidnapping no longer the focus--and the fact that Hinata's love for Hanabi was such a focus was really sweet; so was Hiashi's love for his daughters though I wish more would talk about his clear concern for them both that he was displaying from the get-go despite his small screentime; he should get some props for causing Sasuke to come to Konoha in the first place).

But back to the movie (and less about being happy of having some general headcanons being displayed), I honestly love the fact that Hinata was not suddenly given some super-duper powers so that she could fight on par with Toneri. Hinata is not anywhere near Naruto's level of power (and the movie kept that consistent). Of course, since the villain has to be on Naruto's level (or else this would really be pointless on a danger level) that it means that Hinata isn't going to be able to do much to him. One of my pet-peeves is having characters be much stronger or weaker than they should be. Hinata kicked everyone's butt that came at her except Toneri in the movie. Toneri gave Naruto problems, even when using Kurama's chakra, so I have no problems with Hinata losing to Toneri (and I admit her being placed as a literal trophy when she was brainwashed was so fitting as far as symbolism goes). It's things like that among other smaller things that occurred throughout that made me believe even more that Kishimoto was as heavily involved with this (including how Toneri was "defeated") as he tried to imply. There were things that I don't think would've happened if Kishimoto wasn't involved beyond the time-skip and the scarf. There were just little things that made me think of the manga and how the manga tells things.

Sakura was treated like the wonderful girl she is and I appreciated it so much. ^_^ Shikamaru got to be his usual right hand man self. Sai was just Sai. Now I understand what Kishimoto meant when wondering if he wasn't too evil to Naruto. I still can't get over it and I know that I technically missed part of what Sai said when Naruto woke up because I was already laughing so hard in the theater when he really started going in on Naruto there.

My favorite parts were the genjutsu trap, the Naruto/Sakura talk with Hinata going on her quest to save the world going on in the background, the joint attack with Naruto & Hinata, the final fight (including it's hilarious end with Kurama), and the running that led to the moon kiss (**cough**Naruto's**cough**a**cough**show-off**cough**).

Oh and one public service announcement about the movie that I don't know is mentioned much... the main plot of the movie covers at least a month in time. The very beginning when Hinata is knitting also shows the phases of the moon changing along with the fact that when Naruto first receives presents (and teaches at the academy) it's "fall"-like as far as weather goes while it's snowing when Hinata finishes the scarf and starts trying to give it to him (but the changing phases of the moon is bigger indicator of the passage of time).

However, I do know that once I can get this on Blu-ray, that I will enjoy this movie forever just like I enjoy "The Little Mermaid" by Disney (and yes, that's my fave Disney movie). It was just that overall great to me.

Anyway, personally, I think that as long as you aren't expecting much action and don't have headcanons that you're totally invested in that completely contradict mine (because a lot of my headcanons were followed in this movie), that you'll probably enjoy the movie. Enjoyment always has a lot to do with personal expectations after all and mine were met while personal annoyances were kept at a bare minimum. ;)

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Post by Yamasaki Akaiko on Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:55 am

Thanks ;)

I actually found this movie to be manga-like (with all the pluses & minuses that brings) and my interpretation of the characters was pushed forward so I have all the reasons to basically love the movie.
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Post by db84x on Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:15 am

But sadly I still felt SP scriptwriter bias on SS, Sasuke and Sakura need more love.
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Post by H. Uzumaki on Thu Mar 12, 2015 11:21 am

db84x wrote:But sadly I still felt SP scriptwriter bias on SS, Sasuke and Sakura need more love.

I don't believe they have any sort of bias. The main reason they weren't featured in the Last is that neither were the hero (Naruto) or the heroine (Hinata). Sasuke served as the enjoyable cameo role which he performed his satisfyingly epic deed, and Sakura was the helper for both characters. Sakura also does recall Sasuke now and then.

Once the filler (Which naturally has little of any canon couples) ends, you'll see more SS in the Kaguya arch and the final arch, which I look forward to.

By the way, both for the manga and the movie, Heroine does not equal Love Interest, nor interchangeable as some misbelieve. When I post my essay about Heroines in Naruto, I'll explain more on how they're not related.  It will also serve as a nice analysis of the Last and the Manga and I'll try to explain why Hero is more prominent than Heroine in the Naruto manga. I hope people read it!

As a work to analyze, I LOVE the Last. For whatever your grievances or dislikes against the content it may be, it is very solid on the technical foundation. If I was to teach writing, the Last has several lessons to learn from.
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Post by db84x on Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:37 am

I just tired show how bias SP writer to SS, but positive side for the first time after part 1 over Sakura accurately portrayed.
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Post by Yamasaki Akaiko on Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:43 pm

Considering I don't believe the director/writer for "The Last" had done Naruto episodes before (the animators did though), "The Last" isn't completely related to the normal Naruto anime anyway.

Manga = Naruto's friendship drama (Team 7-centered for the most part, but occasionally others, such as Shikamaru)
"The Last" = Naruto's romance drama (NaruHina-centered as that was the intended pairing for Naruto)
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Post by H. Uzumaki on Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:20 am

I am very appreciative of all the work they put into it -and- enduring all the criticism that comes with it. Making an animated movie and serialized Manga is a lot of work.

Having done simple animating in School. (Animated a Sakura themed Roller Coaster with Sakura Trees and), its hard. It took me weeks just to get a decent fourty-second running work, which was still of horrible quality compared to professional works.

I posted it elsewhere so sorry if I'm repeating, but wanted to post:

1: My main criticism with the movie was Toneri. To be honest He was still decent, just the main thing that needed to be fixed for him was informing us of his motivations with the Hyuuga. You could make implications on his business with the Hyuuga clan, but no concrete answers. He doesn't need to be fantastic. Better he be boring than distracting with the showlight.

2: I didn't find anything OOC. Inconsistent characterization tends to occur towards and happened in instances towards the beginning of a serialized work. They knew and understood their characters perfectly, even though they were two years older. I think if people found them OOC, they found them OOC to how -they- believed them to be in their head. If we were in a writer's circle we would probably be telling them how they are missing details that would fix their understanding of a character.

3: Has no one stressed how beautiful the animation is? Road to Ninja felt like another episode, albeit remastered in its quality. The Last is in a class of its own. I like its soundtrack too. The song that plays when they fly into Toneri's castle is easily a favorite, as well as the songs during both scarf exchanges.

4: So I love Romance in adventure movies. This had a lot of romance in it. Subjectively, I was 100% satisfied. It could have been an SS movie or another canon couple and gosh, still a sucker for romance in general. The Naruhina Romance was adorable.

5: The Little things:
I: Some people were bothered by Hinata taking Toneri's eyes out in the end. No one else was more appropriate to do it though: Its pretty much resembles the end of her Heroine quest, which I will post about in my essay, and they had to come out somehow.
II: While I would have liked to have Hinata fight a little more as she looked so cool in the fight she did have, I understand based on the plot she was going through, there wasn't much to squeeze in. And Naruto is the protagonist.
III: The Cast was well balanced.
IV: The plot -wasn't- boring for me. The doom of the moon part at the same time, isn't what I'm focusing on though, so I'm not interested in the scenes where they are destroying the meteors (Except for Sasuke's appearance, woot!). I was focused on the romance and essentially Rescue Hanabi Team vs. Toneri.
Overall, a great movie.

P.S. The Little Mermaid is your favorite Disney Movie? Hrm, of the classics I think I prefer Mulan because of that ONE song, and the protagonist was quite interesting. It felt a little more original. Of course, the Little Mermaid also has that ONE song, but I heard it too many times while being a Teacher's Aid over summer school.


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Post by db84x on Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:52 am

It will came into my country in April '15, I hope it will realeased in my hometown.
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Post by Irielo on Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:56 am

After watching it, I can say I enjoyed it overall. I like the patience Hinata showed to knit the scarf over and over again although it got teared several times, which symbolizes how strong bonds are and how they need to be nurtured and sometimes "repaired" (if needed).

There was something I always wanted to see: Sakura motivating NaruHina and it happened. I was served. Great!

The NH moment I appreciate the most during the movie is when Naruto and Hinata were running together (towards the end) and some images of the past were superposing at the same time. That was amazingly awesome.

What I did not really enjoy was Toneri's character. As a villain, I found that his personality lacked of charisma and his goal was "unappealing". His design was quite cool though.

Some might complain about Sasuke's short appearance on the screen but Sasuke's action was vital and efficient as he was the one who brought an injured Hiashi back to Konoha, so he most likely saved him + he saved the village by destroying this piece of the moon which was falling on it. So, he displayed some heroic feats inside a short amount of time.

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Post by phoenixmiko on Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:42 pm

I adore The Last as a Naruto film. The animation is gorgeous (especially in HD on Bluray!) the soundtrack is riveting and the Japanese voice-acting is wonderful. I still much prefer the subbed after giving the dub a few watches. The Last's story is interesting and has some nice canon elements used in there as a basis for the plot. The anime designs for the movie-only timeskip are pretty good, though I like Kishimoto's rough sketches a lot more. Of course, the romance is sweet and at times emotional. I welled up or cried a couple of times watching this film. It is my favourite Naruto movie!

On the film's shortcomings, I mostly agree with Taushishi17 in that the plot left much to be desired canon-wise and the romance along with the characters' actions seemed forced, random, senseless or OOC on a lot of occasions compared to the manga. The Last's claim to canon is tenuous at best for me and I cannot reconcile the story with that of the source material. There were quite a number of instances where characters were OOC, implausible events transpired, explanations made no sense, retcons occurred and random or unnecessary features were added.

As an anime-only and filler film, The Last works. Heck, the anime adaptation could be its own canon, what with all of the filler it has and The Last would fit nicely into that as SP's version of how Naruto and Hinata got together and what things were like two years after the war. Basically, this film is filler just like all of the other Naruto movies in my view, regardless of other fans thinking and saying it is canon.

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Post by db84x on Tue Feb 16, 2016 9:02 pm

It made and approved by Kishi, so it canon.
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Post by phoenixmiko on Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:28 am

db84x, Road to Ninja was made and approved by Kishi too. So are you saying Road to Ninja is canon?

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Post by Irielo on Thu Feb 18, 2016 3:09 pm

I think it depends on the degree of participation of Kishimoto in both movies. If Kishi's involvement in The Last had more weight than his participation in Road to Ninja, then I would consider The Last as close to canon, canon or semi-canon.

Anyway, there are some stuffs with which I am uncomfortable (to say the least) when it comes to the movie regarding the NaruHina development compared to what it seemed to be in the manga...

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Post by db84x on Wed Feb 24, 2016 12:48 am

Kishi already race against time to save his masterpiece from Bleach fate. Using movie is a lame one but do you expect car which already run out gas move ?
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Post by racefan1992 on Wed Feb 24, 2016 5:48 am

Road Too Ninja isn't canon. It is a "what-if" scenario that Kishi thought about. The Last is canon, he said so himself.

I recognize The Last for what it is but the 2 year time is completely unnecessary. All Naruto needed was context, he could have gotten that right after the war ended.
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Post by Irielo on Wed Feb 24, 2016 1:47 pm

db84x wrote:Kishi already race against time to save his masterpiece from Bleach fate.  Using movie is a lame one but do you expect car which already run out gas move ?

I still do not understand the "gas out" thing and I think I won't understand it neither...

racefan1992 wrote:Road Too Ninja isn't canon. It is a "what-if" scenario that Kishi thought about. The Last is canon, he said so himself.

I recognize The Last for what it is but the 2 year time is completely unnecessary. All Naruto needed was context, he could have gotten that right after the war ended.

To the bolded: Absolutely! Two years seem too long imo, as far as I can see how NaruHina developed in the manga. Well, maybe Kishimoto wanted them to be young adults before they start to date or, maybe, showing how successful Naruto was among girls and women after the war, was a way to emphasize that he had several "possibilities" but remained true to his deep feelings. Anyway, I am still not comfortable with the 2 years stuff...

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Post by racefan1992 on Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:31 am

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Kishimoto wanted them too be 18 years old. They were both 16-17 at wars ended. That is old enough too be together. Yes Naruto lacked maturity but Hinata doesn't care. She always accepted him, even his quirks. Naruto was emotionally mature enough too be with her at wars end.

The original plan was for them too be together at wars end (or just after) but Kishimoto changed his mind. I do not doubt Naruto is Kishis favorite character but i would want too make my favorite character happy as soon as possible. He swung and missed on that. Missed badly.
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Post by Yamasaki Akaiko on Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:03 pm

You guys should be happy I didn't make the decision. I would've had them be 21-22 years old before they got together if it were up to me. I greatly appreciate the time-skip.

Whoever wrote the original script for "The Last" clearly had Naruto & Hinata get together very soon after the war ended. I wish people would stop even remotely claiming that SP had anything to do with the 2 year skip. Kishimoto insisted that Naruto & Hinata had to both be 18+ before they could get together which tells you that SP had Naruto & Hinata get together when they were 17/16 right after the war. I once said on tumblr that I tend to crack up over most complaints about "The Last" because almost all of them go back to decisions Kishimoto forced on the group to make the movie be canon in Kishimoto's mind.

As for bringing up "Road to Ninja," that doesn't count because of how Kishimoto described it. He said that "Road to Ninja" allowed him to have a movie where Naruto could be with Minato & Kushina and specified that it was something based on things that could never happen in canon. However, Kishimoto described "The Last" as allowing him to have a romance story in canon that he did not feel comfortable to write/draw himself. That's basically why there's pretty much no romance going on in Gaiden nor Boruto--Kishimoto isn't going to do it himself--but there has been some in the novels by WSJ as others don't have as much a problem doing it (or attempting to do it). The closest Kishimoto has gotten to doing "romance" in is the Kiba one-shot with Kiba & Tamaki (and that was very tame).

There's no NaruHina development in "The Last." The only thing that could even be considered "development" that happens in "The Last" is that Naruto realizes that he's been in love with Hinata for a long time. However, chapter 700 had firmly established that Naruto clearly was in love with Hinata for a long time almost a full month before "The Last" was released.

Unless you are an anime-only watcher, there is no NaruHina development in "The Last." All of it had already been established in the manga beforehand (but the anime is in the middle of the war so obviously the story hasn't ended for an anime-only watcher; and those anime-only watchers who chose to watch "The Last" I do feel a little for because of fillers & the story not being over means it can come as a surprise in a multitude of ways). The only thing "The Last" did was specify that Naruto & Hinata got together when they were 19 (Naruto) & 18 (Hinata) officially and got married when they were both 19. Being specific about when things happened that you already knew is not development... it's just giving details to things you already know.

It's one of the many reasons why I wish "moments" or "interactions" were separated from "development." Moments & interactions can be forms of development but they aren't always--and many times in stories like Naruto, they aren't development.

The only actual developments in "The Last" were for Hamura, Hanabi (because she finally was given an official personality that the manga never gave her due to her lack of speaking in the manga--she spoke to Hiashi during the Naruto/Neji fight and that was it outside of hushing Neji in Hinata's dream), the Hyuuga clan, and the Ootsutsuki clan. Technically there are some other minor things (such as Naruto teaching at the academy as a guest teacher of sorts) but I'm not getting into everything or this long post would become even longer.

I am curious to what was being considered out of character in "The Last" though. I have things I roll my eyes at (mainly the convenience of some things such as where Hinata was landing choosing the moment she lands to break so Naruto can go back to get her and Sasuke finding Hiashi so he can be in Konoha to save Kakashi). I just consider it silly the same way lots of things in the manga are silly (such as Neji telling the Hyuuga background story involving Hiashi, Hizashi, Hinata & himself to Naruto and the entire crowd during the Naruto/Neji fight instead of just knocking out Naruto before Naruto decides to use Kurama's power) if you truly choose to go all in on it. We all have things where we choose to suspend our disbelief for because it's all a fictional story at the end of the day--and then there are things we choose not to suspend our disbelief (and many times when choose to be "okay" with something versus "not okay" with something coincide with if we personally like the thing). However, there is a huge difference between not liking something and something being out of character.
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Re: Thoughts on The Last Naruto the Movie

Post by racefan1992 on Sat Feb 27, 2016 6:59 am

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You said he was clearly in love with Hinata. The time skip isn't necessary. All he needed was proper context and there you go. Kids now a days start dating at 16/17 anyway, even in Japan i'm hazarding a guess. Me and @Irielo and some others disagree with the time skip. Far as i see it is a valid complaint. The Last itself is fine other then then the time skip.
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